Monday, April 04, 2011

Episode 95--Waiting for FaceBook...

In this episode Drew ( with evil goatee), Socar, Eric, and Jeremy discuss the recent uproar in the comics community surrounding copyright infringement and a certain artist that will go unnamed ( unless you totally want to name him in the show notes...that's cool).

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Jan said...

We shall hear Socar unbleeped from now on?! THE PLEASURE!!!

(\o/ yaaay podcast!)

Aledin said...

Hey Socar, my day job sucks too. I feel your pain. The things we do for money! Sometimes I think that being a janitor would stink less (and pay more).

But hey, who's the infamous artist you guys talked about? I haven't heard of this case. I'm really curious! :D

Shaun Patterson said...

Good show as always. While I appreciate you guys trying to use the recent art scammery at a point of discussion I think its really not worth trying to figure out this dudes motivations, he was a con man..end of story. Fan art is a tricky topic as well, but a good one for sure. I know when it comes to selling work at cons, most tend to have a policy about what percentage of your prints can be fan art content. While not really taking a hardline approach to copyright infringement, its a good way to keep that sort of thing at a reasonable level. As someone like myself who is pretty junior to this industry I find that the temptation to do fan art is big for a number of reasons. Ever since Marko Djurdjevic made his mark doing those Marvel characters there has been a real prevalent idea floating around that working with established IP's is the very best way to grab the attention of the companies/IP's that you want to work for. From my own personal experience, I have pieces that I really but alot of time and effort into but the one drawing on my site of Batman that I did casually one evening has gotten more attention from people then any of my fantasy work that was much more time/effort intensive. So I see how artists can fall into that trap and want to concentrate on the fan art, if its attention and back patting that they crave. No offense to Socar but sometimes your level of enthusiasm reminds me of the Joaquin Phoenix interview on David Letterman and his quote "Joaquin, I'm sorry you couldn't be here tonight." ;)

Chantal Fournier said...

Wow, Drew was on fire for this one. Your musings about fan art made me think of something that has bugged me for quite a long time: As far as I can tell, Tolkien's work is not yet in public domain, yet I see LotR and Hobbit fan art all over the place and from prominent artists (like Donato Giancola who even published a book of it,) Muddy colors recently had a post about versions of LotR scenes. What's up with that? It's as much as an IP as Spiderman. Maybe the Tolkien estate is known to not pursue infringers?

Jan said...

@Chantal: On the contrary, Tolkien Estate is infamous for suing the pants off anyone even touching Tolkien without their consent!

I bet Donato Giancola has an agreement of some sort with them about a share of profit from the book.

(some time ago I was thinking about doing a book of my Tolkien fanart and I vaguely recall asking John Howe about this. And he may have told me one always has to make nice with the Estate. Or not. I'd have to look for the thread. ;))

Jan said...

Just to clarify though - I was talking about commercial work.

For years there have been myths being spread all over the internets, of TE taking down LOTR themed game modifications. (made for free and distributed for free as fan games)

Apparently none of this really happened. I've been working on such a modification for a while now and we used to be seriously worried about TE lawyers sending us a cease and desist email.


Jan said...

:D In the role of Patrick "Enemy of multiple fandoms" McEvoy this week - Sooooooooocar Myles!

(Buffy's great.)

Joe Willy said...

I hadn't been reading much comics news lately so it was new to me, but I think this might catch anybody else up to date who also missed it:

Sadly, there's a lot of guys at comics shows who push the line as far as fan "tributes" to famous works by pro artists and some of them get actual work based on their brilliance with a lightbox or Command-C then -V.

FIRST POST! Hi, Ninja people!

Unknown said...

Thanks for all the great comments everybody! Makes me wish I was on this week (but I was getting ready for Wondercon..)

And welcome aboard, Joe!

Alonso said...

speaking of vanity searches. Somewhere Irene Gallo mentioned that when she hears of a new artist she doesn't go to their page because so often the artists' website is bad, so she'll just google image search just to see the overall flavor of the artist, which is a pretty frightening thought, you're art being represented by google's randomness.

Drew Baker said...

Shaun: That back patting has an undeniable draw, as do the sales that can follow it.

I've seen people light up when I say a piece is about something they like, as well as completely lose interest if I say it's about something else. I'm still surprised sometimes by how much power not just content, but an association with something else, has. That's why titles are so important. I've been told "You don't call it 'Man with a White Beard,' you call it 'Galdalf,' or 'Moses.'" It doesn't matter if it's the same painting. Giving it that extra meaning -- whether you actually are or not -- can make a big difference.

Chantal: That's an interesting point about Lord of the Rings that I had totally missed. Jan: I'll take that bet.

Drew Baker said...

Patrick: I hope you had a good time at WonderCon. You'll have to tell us about it.

Unknown said...

Thanks Drew! I'm sure you won't be able to shut me up about it.. ;)

Jan said...

@Drew: I am tempted to email Donato and ask, but it seems like such a silly thing to bother him about. :)

Anonymous said...

Don't take my word for this, because I read it somewhere and can't recall where, and might be dead wrong, but I think illustrations of text don't technically count as fan art, or copyright infringement, even if the estate still controls that IP. Something to do with it being a completely different medium, I think.

HOWEVER, illustrations resembling visual representations of the material (official cover art, TV and movie material, sculptures, other art merchandise) would be considered fan art, and an infringement.

So, if I am right, you could do your OWN interpretation of Tolkien's characters, and there isn't a thing anyone could do to stop you. But you couldn't draw wotzisname from the film as Gandalf.

Then again, I could be completely and utterly wrong about this, so if you want to test the theory, on your head be it! I tend to keep my fanart to stories where the copyright issue is long gone.

Jan said...

No no, that sounds quite plausible, Socar!

I've found my question on JH's forums, but it never got answered.:D

The only bit I could find is:

"Also, the Tolkien Estate must approve all projects."

I'd love to be wrong. (that means there could potentially be a book of Jan/Tolkien art happening in the future, if the TE approved)

Joe Slucher said...

Eric-It was no problem. Glad you like the work. I really should get some kind of head hunting fee because I think they filled all 100 illustrations with people I recommended.